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On Monday we heard from Elina, who wrote to express her struggle with feeling like an outsider to the faith, treating the Bible as literature and Christianity as a social culture without a personal relationship with Christ. She asked how she can move from this place of spiritual detachment into a genuine relationship with Christ and a close walk with God. This is a very common question we get every day now. How can I have a genuine relationship with God? How do you get one? How do you keep one? And as you develop this relationship with God, you can expect to meet another question, eventually: Why does God sometimes withdraw his presence from us?
This topic of abandonment comes up as we wrap up our Bible reading for the month of March. Maybe you’re still catching up. That’s what I love about the grace period in the Navigators Bible Reading Plan. Those final days of the month are when you can catch up. I know a lot of you also appreciate that feature that helps encourage you along, month by month. Well, if you are caught up with the March readings, you will know that we just read two interesting texts that seem to conflict with one another. On the 25th, we read the promise that God will never leave us nor forsake us, in Matthew 28:20. But on the 22nd, we read the psalmist cry out to God, “Don’t leave me” (see Psalm 69:17). So, does God abandon us sometimes, or not?
This question about desertion is a big one. Pastor John joins us over the telephone to take this question from Mikala, who writes in: “Pastor John, hello and thank you for taking my question. In an early episode of APJ” — way back in APJ 19, over twelve years ago — “you said that God sometimes withdraws his presence from us. How does that not contradict God’s new-covenant promise to us that he will never leave us nor forsake us in Hebrews 13:5?”
I love that kind of question because, to me, the best questions are how things fit together. What’s helped me most, I think, in my study of the Bible is seeing when things seem not to fit together, seem contradictory, and then — instead of walking away from the Bible and assuming, Well, it’s a bunch of double-talk — digging down to the root so they come together. Then you realize, Oh, these two plants are not opposites; they have the same roots. I think that’s what we’re dealing with here.
The New-Covenant Promise
First, we need to think about kinds of presence of the Lord. The Bible talks about different kinds of his presence. For example, most of us would agree that God is omnipresent. There’s no place where he’s not. Paul said, “In him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28). He’s quoting a pagan poet there to agree that, yes, everybody is in God, held in being by God. And Jeremiah 23:24 says, “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him?” God is talking. “Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.” So, I think the first and most basic sense that we need to talk about is this: He’s everywhere. God is omnipresent, including in the lives of believers and unbelievers, holding them in being, knowing all that they do firsthand.
“There is a presence of God, a keeping, that will never fail for God’s elect, for those who are in Christ.”
And then Mikala points out — and she’s absolutely right — there is this special presence, which she calls the “new-covenant promise” of God’s presence. In Hebrews 13:5, it says, “Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, ‘I will never leave you nor forsake you.’” Or we could go to Matthew 28:20: “Behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Or we could go to 2 Corinthians 4:9: “[I am] persecuted, but not forsaken.” So, you’ve got these New Testament, new-covenant promises that God is never ever going to abandon or leave his people.
The one I love most is Jeremiah 32:40, where it goes over the top and says, “I will make with them an everlasting covenant” — this is now the new covenant — “that I will not turn away from doing good to them.” And then he adds, “And I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.” This new-covenant promise is not only that God won’t walk away from us; he won’t let us walk away from him. So, I want to say to Mikala, yes, yes, yes, yes! She’s right that there is a presence of God, a keeping, a staying-with, that will never fail for God’s elect, for those who are in Christ.
The Old Testament View
But (here’s what she picked up on) there is another way that the Bible talks about the presence of God. Psalm 69:17: “Hide not your face from your servant, for I am in distress; make haste to answer me.” His sense is that God is distant, that God is hiding from him. Or Psalm 143:7: “Answer me quickly, O Lord! My spirit fails! Hide not your face from me, lest I be like those who go down to the pit.” Or Isaiah 64:7: “There is no one who calls upon your name, who rouses himself to take hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us [your covenant people], and have made us melt in the hand of our iniquities.”
Now, when I read these, it occurs to me that Mikala might say, or others might say, “Wait a minute, those are Old Testament prayers. Maybe the saints had to pray like that in the Old Testament. ‘Don’t hide your face from me. Don’t go away from me.’ But we are new-covenant people; would we ever pray like that?” And there are a couple of problems with that objection. One is that, in the very text that Mikala quoted, where it says, “The Lord has said, I will be with you; I will not leave you” (see Hebrews 13:5), it is quoting from Joshua 1:5. So, he’s quoting an old-covenant promise and applying it to New Testament believers.
And the other problem is that the Old Testament abounds with promises to God’s people that he won’t forsake them. First Samuel 12:22: “The Lord will not forsake his people, for his great name’s sake.” Psalm 37:28: “The Lord loves justice; he will not forsake his saints.” Psalm 23:4 (we all love Psalm 23): “Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me.” In other words, even in the worst of horrible, dark times, my Shepherd is with me. Those are Old Testament statements.
The Manifest Presence of God
So, here’s my answer to her question. The old Puritans put it all together by talking about the manifest presence of God. And they were using that phrase manifest — the experienced, known, tasted presence of God — to distinguish it from the omnipresence of God and from the covenant-keeping presence of God, which may or may not be experienced intensely from time to time. I think this is really, really helpful.
In other words, sometimes God withdraws his presence from us. That’s the statement I made that Mikala stumbled over. She said, “How can that be?” When I say that sometimes God withdraws his presence from us, I don’t mean that we are forsaken by our covenant God. I mean that the manifestations of his presence are limited. He doesn’t withdraw his covenant commitment to us or his sustaining grace from us. What he withdraws is the sweetness of his fellowship from time to time, or the conscious sense of his power. And he has his reasons for doing this. I think maybe there would be another time for us to talk about that. But surely, one of his reasons is to make us feel our desperate need for him so that we fly to Christ and to the cross, where we hear the covenant promise afresh.